Standard Answer from me
Submitted by alan h on Thu, 08/01/2013 - 16:56In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Standard Answer from meDover - Dunkirk [DFDS] is usually cheapestCalais -Dunkirk, Lille - into Belgium - Charleroi, Namur, and on to Luxemburg - all toll free motorway. Fill up with petrol in Luxemburg [at services entering or leaving the country - cheapest on your route. Then toll free motorway to Metz, Nancy and towards Colmar [becomes single carriageway for part ner Colmar]. Toll free motorway from Colmar to Mulhouse, then over to Germany and down towards Basle. Take turning off to Lorrach to avoid Basle [can be bad] So far, still no charges Travel through Switzerland needs a vignette - about 35 Euros [I think] at the services on the German motorway [at Bad Bellingen] - but thats the only charge [vignette lasts one calendar year - actually Dec to January (14 months)]Through Gotthard Tunnel [no charge] and down into Italy and on to Italian autostrada and toll charges Good luck
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Thnak you. I guess that would
Submitted by Iain Shirlaw on Fri, 08/02/2013 - 10:38In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thank you. I guess that would be an extra 200km on the most direct route?
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Probably nearer 100Km, if
Submitted by alan h on Fri, 08/02/2013 - 11:48In reply to Thnak you. I guess that would by Iain Shirlaw
Probably nearer 100Km, if that - but you save a ton in toll charges and time paying toll charges (plus border queues [if you go through Basel), so the overall time diifference won't be massive. Plus cheap petrol.Still its up to you [and the route planner you use]
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Thank you.
Submitted by Iain Shirlaw on Wed, 08/07/2013 - 09:21In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thank you.
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Good route Alan.
Submitted by Iain Shirlaw on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 15:06In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Good route Alan.The price for Switzerland is was 40 Euros or 40 Swiss Francs at the border. I obviously paid 40 Swiss Francs (by credit card) because it is cheaper.
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Alan,
Submitted by Iain Shirlaw on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 13:43In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Alan,Have you done this route in winter? What are the conditions like?Or anyone else with experience of this route in winter?Kind regards,Iain.
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Not too bad - the Gotthard
Submitted by alan h on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 16:51In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Not too badThe Gotthard Tunnel is always open, and the Swiss keep the motorways pretty clear.The only real problem area might be in France, on the 'non dual carriageway' between Nancy and Colmar, when, if it is snowy, it might pay to do a bit of autoroute [with tolls] from Metz to Strasbourg, but you could decide at the last minute, depending on weather and road conditions
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Guys sorry to steal the
Submitted by tonys on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 05:53In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Guys sorry to steal the thread but I am wondering if there is toll free alternative as opposed to going through colmar, driving it on the way back at night wasn't great with thick fog and rain
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Avoiding Colmar
Submitted by alan h on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 10:04In reply to Guys sorry to steal the by tonys
Avoiding ColmarIf the problem is fog/rain at night, then probably the best bet is to drive up to Strasbourg, avoiding Colmar and the cross mountain roads, [probably on the German motorway] and then pay to use the autoroute from Strasbourg to Metz. It will cost about 13 Euros, but would be worth it for the peace of mind. This site - http://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/overseas/european_tolls_results.jsp?country=France gives an idea of autoroute toll charges
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This what we did at the
Submitted by chrisnotton on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 16:58In reply to Avoiding Colmar by alan h
This what we did at the weekend, we took it easy & broke our trip in Freiburg & Como, both nice places with cheap IBIS/ETAP hotels near the motorway.Recommended!In bocco al lupo!
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most of all the above is true
Submitted by sebastiano on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 10:44In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
most of all the above is true.Personally i always drive thru Germany not only or because there are no tolls but because of that there are many exits which allows one to break the journey very easily and stay in very clean reasonably priced hotels/gasthaus etc.Plus if they're not digging up the autobahns again one can drive very fast on numerous parts of the motorway which i like.
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Or go via the Colmar tunnel
Submitted by SirTK on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 10:51In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Or go via the Colmar tunnel instead of over the col. Not toll-free but it's cheap and gets you out near St Die and on to the good road to Nancy.
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Careful .........
Submitted by alan h on Mon, 09/16/2013 - 13:34In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Careful ........."Or go via the Colmar tunnel instead of over the col. Not toll-free but it's cheap and gets you out near St Die and on to the good road to Nancy"The only problem with this route is that the roads to/from the tunnel, [[the roads here aren't that good], are just as likely to be affected by the 'bad weather' that worried 'tonys'
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The only problem with this
Submitted by SirTK on Tue, 09/17/2013 - 06:23In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
The only problem with this route is that the roads to/from the tunnel, [[the roads here aren't that good], are just as likely to be affected by the 'bad weather' that worried 'tonys'Maybe it's a while since you went that way - the N59 is a very good road at both ends of the tunnel. You don't have to take the minor roads into Colmar itself as the route out to the motorway is only a little more in kms, but less in time.I think the charm of this area is that there are so many options - one time I chose to go via the tunnel, it happened to be shut for maintenance - the diversion gave me a different route over the top which made a nice change from the usual Col du Bonhomme route.
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Thanks for the input
Submitted by tonys on Tue, 09/17/2013 - 04:32In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thanks for the input especially Alan h, I think paying 13 euro's with hindsight would have been very sensible and going through Strasbourg.
As a matter of interest what is the difference going through epinal instead of colmar? Is it less mountainous?
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Route through Epinal
Submitted by alan h on Tue, 09/17/2013 - 10:41In reply to Thanks for the input by tonys
Route through EpinalHave done it many times [until we found the Colmar option]We think Colmar route is easier. Its a beautiful drive over the mountains on the Epinal route, but the approach to Mulhouse is a long drag through built up areas/villages, and is relatively slow, and pretty boring.I think there are more overtaking oppportunities on the Colmar option, and there seem to be less trucks than on the Epinal route
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Thanks again Alan, always
Submitted by tonys on Tue, 09/17/2013 - 12:34In reply to Route through Epinal by alan h
Thanks again Alan, always very helpful with your responses. How often do you do this trip you seem to be the authority on all travel route questions! ?
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I would like to add my thanks
Submitted by Iain Shirlaw on Tue, 09/17/2013 - 15:53In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I would like to add my thanks to Alan. Are there any rules requiring winter tyres and/or chains on the Gotthard route?
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Winter Tyres,
Submitted by alan h on Wed, 09/18/2013 - 06:17In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Winter Tyres, I have never used them on the route. The roads are 'always' kept clear of snow.Winter tyres are not a legal requirement, but they are 'recommended'. From Swiss Federal website;- http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/reps/eur/vnor/embosl/nortou.htmlDriving in SwitzerlandIt is not mandatory but highly recommended to equip your car with winter tires between November and April. Your liability might increase should you be involved in a snow induced accident with a car not equipped with winter tires.However, if you drive on roads where snow chains are required, you have to mount chains on at least two driven wheels, even if your car has an active four-wheel drive.You are allowed to drive vehicles up to 3.5 tons with spikes between November 1 and April 30. Your car will require a sticker on the back indicating that you are using tires with spikes. The maximum speed for cars with spikes is 50 km on main roads and 80 km/h on national highway. You are not allowed to drive on highways (exceptions: Thusis – San Bernadino Tunnel – Mesocco, Göschenen – Gotthard Tunnel – Airolo).Alan
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Thank you.
Submitted by Iain Shirlaw on Mon, 09/23/2013 - 08:21In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thank you.
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