from 1 July any act of sale must include a certificate of energy saving which every house in Italy will eventually need and should be displayed next to the numero civico of the property.
Just having a lawyer present wont do anything. An act of donation. if it were free, must be done in front of a notaio, and it costs. Any transfer of property is a public act and taxes are due to the state. The farmers may well have a right to the land, it all depends whether there is, or was, a contract of let. If they are registered farmers, then they have first choice on the sale of the property, and can use this right in retrospect - though the law here is a bit complicated and one would need all the facts before it can be said whether they have rights. What exactly did you do to transfer this property?
You never got Wifi for free in Italy, because it wasnt allowed! For any wifi/internet access you needed a licence from the questura. Since 1 Jan this is no longer the case, only internet cafes still need a licence, so hotels, restaurants, bars etc should begin to set up open wifi zones like in normal countries! If you have to buy a coffee its a small price to pay, and unlike some well known coffee chains, the coffee will be good
but if they are using old style plastic bags it is now illegal to charge you for them - they must be free.... you pay for biodegradable ones and then watch your shopping fall out the bottom.
I dont know wat this refers to. However, there is a new requirement that any fattura over 3000 euro (or thereabouts) is now sent by certified email to counteract fraud. Of course it requires an email address of the purchaser, and a certified email account - the idea being that if you send a certified email it cannot be altered susequently. As far as I know, the limit on cash being taken in and out of the country remains at 10.000 euros.
The cut off date for plastic bags has just been prorogued to 1 Jan 2012 to allow shops the time to get rid of the old style bag stock --- as usual, one step forward and two steps back.
I have to take issue with you Gaia on ancient Greece. it was not an aristocracy but a democracy in that every free citizen had an obligation to be part of the democracy for a fee of 3 obols a day, when they were drawn by lot. Slaves and women you are right could not vote, but all men had to by law. Things changed when the Romans took over, and it all went downhill from there! SirTK - I could happily criticise the UK system but I am not eligible to vote in the Uk, and don't live there. I live and pay taxes and vote in Italy.
You assume that Italians vote for Berlusconi - Italy has a flawed democracy that comes below Estonia, China and just above Botswana in the world listings. The government is not answerable to the voters, and the voters dont really vote for an MP, votes are bought and sold, as are MPs and cushy jobs. When the incumbent PM can spend 3 times as much on his election campaign as all the other parties, and owns the majority of TV and other media, is it any wonder that he 'wins' ?
no barely Italy has a continual political crisis - from 1860 onwards, mainly because it isnt a country. IMO as soon as the onorevoli have got their 3 years service, and therefore 8000 euros pension a month, for life - they will be happy to vote down the government, but as usual they look after themselves before anyone else. Vergogna. EVen though he has 'confidence' he wont manage to pass any laws. It makes Reagans lame duck presidency look positively vibrant.
We are all in agreement that the Italian legal system is labyrinthine, slow and inconclusive. For those of us brought up with the UK system the Italian version is tortuous, with the guilty going unpunished. The latest BErlusconi reforms dont touch at all on the workings of the system - which is what needs reform. There is no equivalent of a small claims court, three levels of judgement and appeal and a system of prescription that leaves foreigners with mouths agape. When the legal system allows you to break the law in the almost certain knowledge that you will go unpunished, what hope is there? However, the entire legal system cannot be equated to individuals. Most people do their job legally, whether it be notaios, agents or architects. Unfortunately there will always be those who do what they like, and they are aided and abetted by the system. For example, an architect or geometra is legally responsible for the quality of their work, BUT the commissioning client is always legally responsible for work entrusted to third parties. So if your house is built illegally, it is ultimately the clients fault. This is abhorrent to most right thinking people - and it impinges on the 'living the dream' experience in a myriad of ways. However, if it is something that you are not prepared to accept, because frankly, you can't change it, then you shouldnt be thinking of buying in Italy. Fillide advises a piano piano approach, not because you cant rush things, but it allows people to learn and understand the system, know the trustworthy people, and get things done properly with as little pain as possible. The chance of getting a Europe wide justice system that does away with the interminable layers of successive legislation and the unworkable Napoleonic system here in ITaly is remote. It has taken me 5 years to get a team of professionals who I can happily recommend to clients, not without some mistakes along the way. Even then, there is no guarantee that there won't be nasty surprises. I agree with Moruzzo, it would change everything if you could denounce someone and know they would receive justice. I have spent three years in court with an illegal agent and we have had one audience, which was rescheduled. He continues to work. To contest a parking fine of 36 euros now costs you 34 euros in tax stamps. It is the achilles heel of ITaly.
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Just having a lawyer present wont do anything. An act of donation. if it were free, must be done in front of a notaio, and it costs. Any transfer of property is a public act and taxes are due to the state. The farmers may well have a right to the land, it all depends whether there is, or was, a contract of let. If they are registered farmers, then they have first choice on the sale of the property, and can use this right in retrospect - though the law here is a bit complicated and one would need all the facts before it can be said whether they have rights. What exactly did you do to transfer this property?
You never got Wifi for free in Italy, because it wasnt allowed! For any wifi/internet access you needed a licence from the questura. Since 1 Jan this is no longer the case, only internet cafes still need a licence, so hotels, restaurants, bars etc should begin to set up open wifi zones like in normal countries! If you have to buy a coffee its a small price to pay, and unlike some well known coffee chains, the coffee will be good
but if they are using old style plastic bags it is now illegal to charge you for them - they must be free.... you pay for biodegradable ones and then watch your shopping fall out the bottom.
I dont know wat this refers to. However, there is a new requirement that any fattura over 3000 euro (or thereabouts) is now sent by certified email to counteract fraud. Of course it requires an email address of the purchaser, and a certified email account - the idea being that if you send a certified email it cannot be altered susequently. As far as I know, the limit on cash being taken in and out of the country remains at 10.000 euros.
The cut off date for plastic bags has just been prorogued to 1 Jan 2012 to allow shops the time to get rid of the old style bag stock --- as usual, one step forward and two steps back.
I have to take issue with you Gaia on ancient Greece. it was not an aristocracy but a democracy in that every free citizen had an obligation to be part of the democracy for a fee of 3 obols a day, when they were drawn by lot. Slaves and women you are right could not vote, but all men had to by law. Things changed when the Romans took over, and it all went downhill from there! SirTK - I could happily criticise the UK system but I am not eligible to vote in the Uk, and don't live there. I live and pay taxes and vote in Italy.
You assume that Italians vote for Berlusconi - Italy has a flawed democracy that comes below Estonia, China and just above Botswana in the world listings. The government is not answerable to the voters, and the voters dont really vote for an MP, votes are bought and sold, as are MPs and cushy jobs. When the incumbent PM can spend 3 times as much on his election campaign as all the other parties, and owns the majority of TV and other media, is it any wonder that he 'wins' ?
no barely Italy has a continual political crisis - from 1860 onwards, mainly because it isnt a country. IMO as soon as the onorevoli have got their 3 years service, and therefore 8000 euros pension a month, for life - they will be happy to vote down the government, but as usual they look after themselves before anyone else. Vergogna. EVen though he has 'confidence' he wont manage to pass any laws. It makes Reagans lame duck presidency look positively vibrant.
We are all in agreement that the Italian legal system is labyrinthine, slow and inconclusive. For those of us brought up with the UK system the Italian version is tortuous, with the guilty going unpunished. The latest BErlusconi reforms dont touch at all on the workings of the system - which is what needs reform. There is no equivalent of a small claims court, three levels of judgement and appeal and a system of prescription that leaves foreigners with mouths agape. When the legal system allows you to break the law in the almost certain knowledge that you will go unpunished, what hope is there? However, the entire legal system cannot be equated to individuals. Most people do their job legally, whether it be notaios, agents or architects. Unfortunately there will always be those who do what they like, and they are aided and abetted by the system. For example, an architect or geometra is legally responsible for the quality of their work, BUT the commissioning client is always legally responsible for work entrusted to third parties. So if your house is built illegally, it is ultimately the clients fault. This is abhorrent to most right thinking people - and it impinges on the 'living the dream' experience in a myriad of ways. However, if it is something that you are not prepared to accept, because frankly, you can't change it, then you shouldnt be thinking of buying in Italy. Fillide advises a piano piano approach, not because you cant rush things, but it allows people to learn and understand the system, know the trustworthy people, and get things done properly with as little pain as possible. The chance of getting a Europe wide justice system that does away with the interminable layers of successive legislation and the unworkable Napoleonic system here in ITaly is remote. It has taken me 5 years to get a team of professionals who I can happily recommend to clients, not without some mistakes along the way. Even then, there is no guarantee that there won't be nasty surprises. I agree with Moruzzo, it would change everything if you could denounce someone and know they would receive justice. I have spent three years in court with an illegal agent and we have had one audience, which was rescheduled. He continues to work. To contest a parking fine of 36 euros now costs you 34 euros in tax stamps. It is the achilles heel of ITaly.
a presepe or a tree or both. The further south you are the more kitsch you are allowed to be.